Comments for Отаџбински покрет Српско Национално Јединство ::: СрпсРhttp://op-snj.org Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:52:59 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.2 hourly 1 Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Vikos http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4230 Vikos Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:52:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4230 I agree with Vasiliki.<br><b>References : </b><br> I agree with Vasiliki.
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]]> Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Hygia Kenefi http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4229 Hygia Kenefi Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:16:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4229 They need education on all levels on theirs mother tongue ! They need political participation with their own parties !<br><b>References : </b><br> They need education on all levels on theirs mother tongue !
They need political participation with their own parties !
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]]> Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Katerina P http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4228 Katerina P Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:07:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4228 The issue is about the "Ithageneia" as Vasiliki mentions. Immigrants will have the right to vote and a large number of them (around 250.000 according to newspapers) will be given the "ithageneia". But as far as I know, they will have to prove they have a good knowledge of the greek language, the greek history and greek culture. Children that were born here and have attended greek school will be given the "Ithageneia" regardless of their parents status. The whole point is avoiding giving "Ithageneia" to people who don't feel Greek and they will never do. I think I read somewhere that the British are having second thoughts about their own policy regarding immigrants. Many people went there mainly coming from former colonies, but it is proven today that too many of them never achieved to adjust to the british culture and they don't feel British. Maybe someone living in UK can enlighten us. As for the referendum, I don't think any greek government would risk a "No" in this issue. So there won't be one.<br><b>References : </b><br> The issue is about the "Ithageneia" as Vasiliki mentions.
Immigrants will have the right to vote and a large number of them (around 250.000 according to newspapers) will be given the "ithageneia". But as far as I know, they will have to prove they have a good knowledge of the greek language, the greek history and greek culture.
Children that were born here and have attended greek school will be given the "Ithageneia" regardless of their parents status.
The whole point is avoiding giving "Ithageneia" to people who don’t feel Greek and they will never do.
I think I read somewhere that the British are having second thoughts about their own policy regarding immigrants. Many people went there mainly coming from former colonies, but it is proven today that too many of them never achieved to adjust to the british culture and they don’t feel British.
Maybe someone living in UK can enlighten us.
As for the referendum, I don’t think any greek government would risk a "No" in this issue. So there won’t be one.
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]]> Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Kimon http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4227 Kimon Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:57:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4227 I agree with the referendum, but I would like to see the Greek government treat immigrants a bit better first. I believe that a person that was born in Greece, went to Greek school, has never known another country than Greece should automatically be a Greek citizen. I am referring to the children of (even illegal) immigrants.<br><b>References : </b><br> I agree with the referendum, but I would like to see the Greek government treat immigrants a bit better first.

I believe that a person that was born in Greece, went to Greek school, has never known another country than Greece should automatically be a Greek citizen. I am referring to the children of (even illegal) immigrants.
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]]> Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Mpampis Soultanidis http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4226 Mpampis Soultanidis Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:51:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4226 We have more than a million Albanians only in Athens ! They should have civil right to organize into political parties (right on political subjectivity). We should give them guarantied places in Parliament. They need schools, gymanzies and universities on their mothers tongue - Albanian. Greece should provide that level of standards !<br><b>References : </b><br> We have more than a million Albanians only in Athens ! They should have civil right to organize into political parties (right on political subjectivity). We should give them guarantied places in Parliament. They need schools, gymanzies and universities on their mothers tongue – Albanian. Greece should provide that level of standards !
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]]> Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Kalimana Paparigopoulou http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4225 Kalimana Paparigopoulou Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:12:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4225 It is very strange how so many immigrants so easy earn our Greek citizenship but that possibility doesn't exists for ENDOPIANS, native and indigenous Macedonians in occupied Aegean Macedonia. We occupied their lands 1913, we threw out them out of Greece and now our state does not give them citizenship ! Their ancestors were perfect Greek citizens, they were drafted in the first rows of our armies against Turkey, against Italy, they were dying for Greece (even under Greek names). And their descendants have not property rights on their ancestors lands, nor citizenship. We should think about THAT a little !<br><b>References : </b><br> It is very strange how so many immigrants so easy earn our Greek citizenship but that possibility doesn’t exists for ENDOPIANS, native and indigenous Macedonians in occupied Aegean Macedonia. We occupied their lands 1913, we threw out them out of Greece and now our state does not give them citizenship ! Their ancestors were perfect Greek citizens, they were drafted in the first rows of our armies against Turkey, against Italy, they were dying for Greece (even under Greek names). And their descendants have not property rights on their ancestors lands, nor citizenship. We should think about THAT a little !
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]]> Comment on Are there any American women dating an Albanian man like me? by Mamma2 http://op-snj.org/albanian/are-there-any-american-women-dating-an-albanian-man-like-me/comment-page-1#comment-4233 Mamma2 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:05:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/albanian/are-there-any-american-women-dating-an-albanian-man-like-me#comment-4233 I am an American married to an Albanian man. We have one little one together. I love my family and my life and am truly blessed to have found my soul mate. His family is wonderful and the best part is that they love me and our little one fits right in with everyone's babies in the family. It isn't usual for Albanians to marry outside of their culture though. They will date but prefer to marry another Albanian as both are brought up differently than anywhere else. The best thing to do is research what Albanian men are like and finding out what Albanian women are like, what is expected of them, etc. That will give you an idea of what he is truly expecting and what his family expects. If he hasn't mentioned you to anyone especially his family, that is to be expected. He won't unless he feels you are the one and if you live in a different country, it will be after you are either engaged or married. They have their reputation to up hold and won't introduce multiple women that they are dating for being thought of as a man who gets around. If he doesn't give you any signs that say you are the one, you probably aren't and are just his girl until he meets an Albanian female; so don't get to wrapped up in him being the one. Chances are high that you aren't the one for him. They are very passionate, romantics who once in love, will never leave their woman. This doesn't mean they won't venture, they just will never leave their families. Family is very important to them. They don't tolerate lying, cheating, talking to anyone they don't want you to, etc. Honestly is very important to them and they want to know you are theirs, are there for them and the children and not anywhere else. They don't want you to go out, party, or do anything that is not associated with what an Albanian women is suppose to be and they will not marry you if you don't comply. So, if your Albanian man allows you to do whatever you want including going out to the clubs, you aren't the one he is going to marry and he has already decided that. Once they make a decision, even if they realize it is wrong, they won't change their minds and nothing anyone says or does will change that. Just from knowing you are from Hispanic descent and having grown up here, you are probably a very strong willed woman who can be loud, out going, and enjoys doing what you want to do and hate having someone tell you what you can and can't do. If this is you, he isn't going to marry you. They want a woman who will do what they want and know when to stand up. They are wonderful men, but you have to have a lot of patience and understand that they are the head of the household, that everything stays within the family and you don't do anything behind their backs even if it is a surprise and especially if it is something they don't want you doing. You have to change your ideas and perspectives a lot. You also mentioned you are different religions. I can tell you, with everything you have said, he isn't going to marry you. I know that isn't what you want to hear; but it is the truth. I strongly suggest keeping that in mind if you continue to date so that it won't hurt as bad in the end. Realize, he can walk out your front door without anything and never come back. I was very lucky in that my husband and I are the same religion, have the same ideals, and I am willing to be Albanian completely in my attitude and way of doing things. That can be a huge sacrifice to someone who can't do that. Check out this link. It will give you more information from the Albanian community: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/albania/T0FVDQTHQ65DE531H They have other ones on there to read that would be helpful to you too. Read about the expectations of Albanian women in the home, in marriage, outside the home, etc. It is very different from what we as Americans have been brought up to be.<br><b>References : </b><br>Experience I am an American married to an Albanian man. We have one little one together. I love my family and my life and am truly blessed to have found my soul mate. His family is wonderful and the best part is that they love me and our little one fits right in with everyone’s babies in the family.

It isn’t usual for Albanians to marry outside of their culture though. They will date but prefer to marry another Albanian as both are brought up differently than anywhere else. The best thing to do is research what Albanian men are like and finding out what Albanian women are like, what is expected of them, etc. That will give you an idea of what he is truly expecting and what his family expects.

If he hasn’t mentioned you to anyone especially his family, that is to be expected. He won’t unless he feels you are the one and if you live in a different country, it will be after you are either engaged or married. They have their reputation to up hold and won’t introduce multiple women that they are dating for being thought of as a man who gets around. If he doesn’t give you any signs that say you are the one, you probably aren’t and are just his girl until he meets an Albanian female; so don’t get to wrapped up in him being the one. Chances are high that you aren’t the one for him.

They are very passionate, romantics who once in love, will never leave their woman. This doesn’t mean they won’t venture, they just will never leave their families. Family is very important to them. They don’t tolerate lying, cheating, talking to anyone they don’t want you to, etc. Honestly is very important to them and they want to know you are theirs, are there for them and the children and not anywhere else. They don’t want you to go out, party, or do anything that is not associated with what an Albanian women is suppose to be and they will not marry you if you don’t comply. So, if your Albanian man allows you to do whatever you want including going out to the clubs, you aren’t the one he is going to marry and he has already decided that. Once they make a decision, even if they realize it is wrong, they won’t change their minds and nothing anyone says or does will change that.

Just from knowing you are from Hispanic descent and having grown up here, you are probably a very strong willed woman who can be loud, out going, and enjoys doing what you want to do and hate having someone tell you what you can and can’t do. If this is you, he isn’t going to marry you. They want a woman who will do what they want and know when to stand up.

They are wonderful men, but you have to have a lot of patience and understand that they are the head of the household, that everything stays within the family and you don’t do anything behind their backs even if it is a surprise and especially if it is something they don’t want you doing.

You have to change your ideas and perspectives a lot.

You also mentioned you are different religions. I can tell you, with everything you have said, he isn’t going to marry you. I know that isn’t what you want to hear; but it is the truth. I strongly suggest keeping that in mind if you continue to date so that it won’t hurt as bad in the end. Realize, he can walk out your front door without anything and never come back. I was very lucky in that my husband and I are the same religion, have the same ideals, and I am willing to be Albanian completely in my attitude and way of doing things. That can be a huge sacrifice to someone who can’t do that.

Check out this link. It will give you more information from the Albanian community: http://www.topix.com/forum/world/albania/T0FVDQTHQ65DE531H

They have other ones on there to read that would be helpful to you too.

Read about the expectations of Albanian women in the home, in marriage, outside the home, etc. It is very different from what we as Americans have been brought up to be.
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]]> Comment on Should the Greek goverment go on a referendum concerning the citizenship issue? by Vasiliki - 007 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue/comment-page-1#comment-4224 Vasiliki - 007 Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:48:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/greek/should-the-greek-goverment-go-on-a-referendum-concerning-the-citizenship-issue#comment-4224 You are mistaken.Its not about giving citizenship, but giving ''ithagenia'' (nationality). So they are going to accept them as legal citizens of the Hellenic republic but as Greeks. :S Of course it should be a refenderum.This is a very controversial issue and the Greek people should decide about this, because Greek people are going to accept them as part of the Greeks or not. Citizenship is a legal status in a political institution such as a city or a state. The relationship between a citizen and the institution that confers this status is formal, and in contemporary liberal-democratic models includes both a set of rights that the citizen possesses by virtue of this relationship, and a set of obligations or duties that they owe to that institution and their fellow citizens in return. Nationality, on the other hand, denotes informal membership in or identification with a particular nation (which is not a synonym for country or state). While nationality is sometimes conferred as a legal status (see below), it and nations are properly understood as social categories, characterised by at least a common language, culture and territory, and sometimes also by a common religious faith and a purportedly shared ancestry. Ζoi: All the news I have read about don't talk about ipikootita but for ithagenia http://www.i-live.gr/news-immigration-law-parliament/ http://www.tanea.gr/default.asp?pid=41&nid=1096751 http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=1095993 Is something that I misread?<br><b>References : </b><br> You are mistaken.Its not about giving citizenship, but giving ”ithagenia” (nationality).
So they are going to accept them as legal citizens of the Hellenic republic but as Greeks.
:S

Of course it should be a refenderum.This is a very controversial issue and the Greek people should decide about this, because Greek people are going to accept them as part of the Greeks or not.

Citizenship is a legal status in a political institution such as a city or a state. The relationship between a citizen and the institution that confers this status is formal, and in contemporary liberal-democratic models includes both a set of rights that the citizen possesses by virtue of this relationship, and a set of obligations or duties that they owe to that institution and their fellow citizens in return.

Nationality, on the other hand, denotes informal membership in or identification with a particular nation (which is not a synonym for country or state). While nationality is sometimes conferred as a legal status (see below), it and nations are properly understood as social categories, characterised by at least a common language, culture and territory, and sometimes also by a common religious faith and a purportedly shared ancestry.

Ζoi: All the news I have read about don’t talk about ipikootita but for ithagenia
http://www.i-live.gr/news-immigration-law-parliament/
http://www.tanea.gr/default.asp?pid=41&nid=1096751
http://www.in.gr/news/article.asp?lngEntityID=1095993

Is something that I misread?
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]]> Comment on Are there any American women dating an Albanian man like me? by Kevin http://op-snj.org/albanian/are-there-any-american-women-dating-an-albanian-man-like-me/comment-page-1#comment-4232 Kevin Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:33:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/albanian/are-there-any-american-women-dating-an-albanian-man-like-me#comment-4232 there is an american woman answer my question? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100121073043AABU34l<br><b>References : </b><br> there is an american woman

answer my question?
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100121073043AABU34l
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]]> Comment on How do I stop rain from leaking into my floorboard? by J. A. M. http://op-snj.org/into/how-do-i-stop-rain-from-leaking-into-my-floorboard/comment-page-1#comment-4221 J. A. M. Mon, 15 Feb 2010 20:15:59 +0000 http://op-snj.org/into/how-do-i-stop-rain-from-leaking-into-my-floorboard#comment-4221 The vents under the wipers are for the heater/air conditioner in the space below them is a large area for incoming air. at either end under the fenders there should be an oblong hole you will have to remove the fender to get at them. These plug up frequently in that style of GM product clear the holes and the water will run out. behind the fenders instead of down the firewall to the floor. The other issue is usually a bad windshield seal. if the windshield fogs up at the bottom you will have to remove the glass replace the seal reinstall the glass. The 1973 Chevy were known for the pillars rotting out if you pull the glass and the lip for the pinch-weld is missing or bad the piller will have to be welded. Do not cover this up as this is a part of the safety cage of this car.<br><b>References : </b><br> The vents under the wipers are for the heater/air conditioner in the space below them is a large area for incoming air. at either end under the fenders there should be an oblong hole you will have to remove the fender to get at them. These plug up frequently in that style of GM product clear the holes and the water will run out. behind the fenders instead of down the firewall to the floor. The other issue is usually a bad windshield seal. if the windshield fogs up at the bottom you will have to remove the glass replace the seal reinstall the glass. The 1973 Chevy were known for the pillars rotting out if you pull the glass and the lip for the pinch-weld is missing or bad the piller will have to be welded. Do not cover this up as this is a part of the safety cage of this car.
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